I’m shocked.
The bing! bam! boom! guy on CNBC, Jim Cramer, recommended earlier this week that people might want to avoid their 401k plans.
Really?
Is this the same Jim Cramer who graduated from Harvard, made tons of money in stocks on Wall Street, founded TheStreet.com….who made tons of money investing and who has the ability to move markets singlehandedly?
The same one.
That’s partly why I’m so surprised. Unlike some who get wrapped up in his television antics, I have no beef with Cramer. He’s made investing more fun, something I passionately think we need more of in media. If people saw investing as a good time, I think we’d have more open discussions about money.
So before we tear him apart, let’s hear his argument:
Jim Cramer’s Argument Against the 401(k) Plan
The Positives
- “The big positive….is that a 401(k) is a tax-deferred vehicle.” Because you pay taxes only when you withdraw instead of when you put money in or earn interest, dividends or capital gains, you’ll make money faster.
- Employers match 401(k) contributions, so that should be taken into account, because it’s free cash.
…and Why You Shouldn’t Use the 401(k) Plan
- BUT 401(k) plans have higher management fees that eat into your returns;
- AND you have limited fund choices in most 401(k) plans.
So his “rule” for deciding when to use your 401(k) plan? “Cramer says if an employer matches your contribution, and if the plan provides at least some flexibility, go with the 401(k) until you’ve maxed out the match.” After that, use an IRA until you hit your contribution cap.
What’s My Beef With Cramer’s “Rule”?
Cramer had me until he reached the strategy. Like much of the news in the popular press, this advice makes an “easy” conclusion when the truth is really more complicated.
Where Cramer gets it wrong:
Many people can’t contribute to an IRA, deduct the contribution, and still put money into their 401k plan. For a list of the limits, here’s the IRS page.
If you can’t do both, the 401(k) plan is clearly a superior choice. Why? Forget his fee argument. Unless the fees are amazingly huge, they can’t begin to cut into the massive tax break you get from contributing to the 401(k) plan.
Let’s say you’re in the 25% tax bracket. Dollars you contribute to your 401(k) plan are deducted off the top of your income, so you’re saving a full 25% on your tax bill. Add any state tax to the savings, and your fees would have to be between a quarter and a third of the return to justify the IRA purchase.
Is an IRA better? I doubt it.
Here’s the IRS page that covers adding to a deductible IRA: http://www.irs.gov/Retirement-Plans/IRA-Deduction-Limits
Where Cramer Could Have Scored
Had Cramer been talking specifically about a Roth IRA, I might not have written this post. Roth IRA plans work well in tandem with a 401(k) plan. Because the 401(k) is completely taxable when you withdraw money, the only way to have tax savings in retirement is to have accumulated money elsewhere. A Roth IRA provides not only this savings, but also tax deferral along the way.
Finally….Cramer’s Investment Strategy
I need to use caution here: Jim Cramer has made tons of money through successfully buying a handful of stocks. He’s also successfully published many books on investment strategy. It’s hard to find fault with someone’s investment approach when they’ve clearly crushed it. BUT….I’ve worked with many individuals who are in no way ready to hear his advice at the bottom of this CNBC article.
“…Cramer believes whole-heartedly that owning five to 10 stocks of good companies, with solid balance sheets, strong industry position and quality management is the best way to invest for retirement.”
Do I agree?
Sure I do. But you have to be willing to understand a “solid balance sheet”, evaluate “strong industry position” and what qualifies as “quality management” to take this approach. Not only has Cramer invested widely, but he has also written tons of books.
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Laurie @thefrugalfarmer
Okay, I’m not the most investment-savvy girl on the face of the earth, but even to me these sound like stupid arguments against the 401k. 🙂
AvgJoeMoney
The fee argument always makes easy sense….and is usually right, but in this case they completely disregard the fact that tax deductibility almost always trumps fees (unless your fees are unbelievably high….).
John S @ Frugal Rules
Wow! Just wow. I hadn’t seen this at all. Back in the day, I always hated dealing with Cramer fans because they were a bit over the top (surprise, surprise) but at the very least they were having fun with what they were doing and I agree that we do need more of that. That said, you’re spot on. I say take the free money and if you have limited choices, pick the cheaper expense ones and enjoy those tax savings.
Holly Johnson
I don’t have a 401K anymore, and just stick to a Roth IRA and SEP IRA with Vanguard. Greg, on the other hand, has a work 401K at work. It makes sense for us to get the match. We also need to bring our taxable income down.
AvgJoeMoney
Exactly….that’s why you’ll take as much of the pretax option as possible. Why Cramer would recommend against more pretax money because one investment has a fee of….let’s say .5% and another maybe 2% is beyond me… ESPECIALLY if you’re allowed to do an in-service withdrawal and move money to your IRA later.
BrokeMillennial
I’m in the middle of working on an article about when to not invest in your 401(k) so thanks for this fodder!
AvgJoeMoney
That’s exactly why we have the podcast and blog: as fodder for Erin’s (much better than ours) stuff.
Grayson @ Debt Roundup
Luckily for me, my 401k provides good flexibility. While the management fees are higher, I wouldn’t disregard the 401k just for a traditional IRA. That is why I have my Roth!
Done by Forty
That’s straight up dangerous advice at the end of the article. If you had to give just one piece of advice to a wide audience, it’s probably to max your 401k, then throw money at your Roth or Traditional IRA.
Kim
I think there are lots of people just looking for an excuse not to put more money into a 401k. Lots of them might have good intentions of investing elsewhere, but then spend the money instead.
Travis Pizel
fees? I’ll have to look closer at the information I get from my 401K…I’m not aware that I’m charged any management fees…..
Andrew
I’m not a big fan of Jim Cramer…he seems really over the top. Plus I’m a big Boglehead fan and mainly invest in index funds. The bogleheads also believe that you should invest to the match, then max out Roth IRA, and then max out your 401k. I’m not sure where I stand on that…I contribute more in my 401k because I do like reducing my taxable income (my employer does not match). Although I did read a post saying that those with a pension (which I should have when I retire hopefully), you might be better off investing more in a Roth IRA/401K since you may be in a higher tax bracket at retirement. I do a little of both since I really don’t know…but I’m hoping to max out both 401k and IRA in the future if possible. As for buying 5 to 10 companies…NO! Just NO! Way too much risk with too little diversification!
Phoenix Jet
I’ve used his advice to do some stock market games online. Worked out pretty well. However, I still stick w/ the mutual funds, b/c I’m not going to be on top of doing the “homework” that’s needed to really keep things going.
MyMoneyDesign
Investing in stocks is simply not for everyone. Not everybody is ready to understand the metrics and things that go along with picking them out. If most people just stuck to their 401k plan with index-like funds through thick and thin, they’d probably fare much better in the long run then if they tried to get creative.